4x4 Forum | 4x4 Mecca http://4x4mecca.com/forum en Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:32:49 GMT vBulletin 60 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/images/4x4mecca/misc/rss.jpg 4x4 Forum | 4x4 Mecca http://4x4mecca.com/forum (Other) Anyone here with a .edu email address I can mooch off of? http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6175-anyone-here-edu-email-address-i-can-mooch-off.html Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:15:43 GMT I want to sign up for something and it requires a .edu email address which is a college email address. Loftis? You're young... you? lol ]]> Hang Out 4x4 Mecca http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6175-anyone-here-edu-email-address-i-can-mooch-off.html (Everyday Life) Heya http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6174-heya.html Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:50:22 GMT Sorry all. I've been a little preoccupied with life lately so ive been a little lax on my visits. Oh, and I'm trying to send this with our I-pad that we just got. I think it would make a better burrito than computer. You stay classy San Diego. ]]> Hang Out Loftis61 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6174-heya.html (Video) YouTube http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6173-youtube.html Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:49:23 GMT I just lost another 2 hours of my life. I started looking at vids of K5's and Moab, before I knew it I had looked at mudders, stretch Corvettes, amphibious vehicles, water powered cutting torches, and a slew of alternative engines/fuels....and even a guy farting flames.

:surprised::shrug: ]]> Hang Out filo http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6173-youtube.html Ice Road Truckers http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6172-ice-road-truckers.html Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:42:34 GMT Hey Fred, I swear your the spittin image of Hugh. Same sense of humor too. Hey Fred, I swear your the spittin image of Hugh. Same sense of humor too. ]]> Hang Out Cricket http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6172-ice-road-truckers.html not new just havnt been around http://4x4mecca.com/forum/introductions/6171-not-new-just-havnt-been-around.html Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:40:53 GMT hey guys and gals, i didnt die or fall off the end of the world, just been busy, changed jobs, had vehicle disasters, have a kid on the way. just picked up another blazer and already posted it in the bild area. hey guys and gals,

i didnt die or fall off the end of the world, just been busy, changed jobs, had vehicle disasters, have a kid on the way.

just picked up another blazer and already posted it in the bild area. ]]> Introductions smalltowncowboy http://4x4mecca.com/forum/introductions/6171-not-new-just-havnt-been-around.html new daily driver http://4x4mecca.com/forum/build-ups/6170-new-daily-driver.html Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:30:29 GMT picked this up the other day outside of pendleton. its a 1983 chevy blazer it has a rebuilt 350 with 50,000 miles and a rebuilt 700r4 with 30,000 on it. 4" rancho lift, new shocks, new brakes, warn winch bumper, fairly new exhaust, this thing runs smooth. the guys son layed it on its side so there is some body damage, needs a new windshield, and he took his tires and left me some dinky studded tires so im looking for some used tires in a 31-33" range.

the good side
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and the bad side (which isnt even that bad)
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locking center console that i dont have a key too lol
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nice little storage box but im not sure if this is original for this year
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has A/C but no belt so im not to optimistic about it working
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has the retractable light, also not sure if its original for this year
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but it does work
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i am planning on taking the doors off of this truck and the right front fender and giving the blazer a paint job, ill take the doors off it now and turn them into half doors. and sooner or later i will be pulling the 3/4 ton running gear from the truck and the hydro brakes and putting them in the blazer.
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Click the image to open in full size. ]]> Build Ups smalltowncowboy http://4x4mecca.com/forum/build-ups/6170-new-daily-driver.html Atf+3 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6169-atf-3-a.html Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:24:24 GMT Found this info while researching my nieces 97 Caravan transmission problem. Good info for the curious.


For the full story behind the development of ATF+4, please see SAE paper #982674. It is simply packed with interesting data about the development of ATF+4?. Here are a few tidbits:

The initial development was done using Shell's XHVI base oil. Only much later were other Group III base oils approved. (Currently, SK in Korea and PetroCanada are the only additional approved base oil suppliers.) The use of Group III base oils is probably the leading cause for ATF+4 being a more expensive fluid than ATF+3 (which according to the paper uses a Group II base oil).

Lubrizol developed a new shear-stable viscosity index (VI) improver
specifically for ATF+4. The initial tests of this VI improver in the
MS9602 test fluids were so remarkable that Chrysler modified the then-current ATF+2 spec (MS7176D) to include it. Thus ATF+3 (MS7176E) fluid was born; it remained the factory fill until ATF+4. [Lubrizol is still used in ATF+4 and is required in fluids licensed for compatibility.]

In testing done during development of ATF+4, Chrysler noted the following viscosity loss from shearing for the following ATFs (20 hour KRL Shear Test):

Dexron III - 40% loss
Mercon V - 19% loss
Type 7176D - 32% loss
Type 7176E - 14% loss
Type 9602 - 10% loss

You can see what a significant impact the new viscosity improver had on ATF+3 when you compare the 7176D and 7176E numbers. From the standpoint of viscosity loss alone you can see why Dexron III should not be used in transmissions that require ATF+3 or ATF+4. In terms of other basic performance parameters, ATF+3 (7176E) comes the closest to ATF+4, with Ford?s Mercon V a close second. [Which doesn?t mean that Mercon is acceptable.]

The goal in developing ATF+4 was to create a fluid that would match the performance characteristics of the current fluid (Type 7176D), but would retain those characteristics for at least 100,000 miles. The paper specifically notes that the anti-shudder properties of ATF+3 are usually degraded enough by 30,000 miles to cause noticeable shudder.

Contrary to popular myth, one of the stated goals of Type 9602/ATF+4 fluids was that it would have the same frictional characteristics as ATF+3. The paper explicitly states that this was because new clutch materials would not be introduced for this fluid and it had to be backwards compatible with ATF+3. Graphs in the paper show that the friction coefficient of fresh ATF+3 and ATF+4 is essentially identical, but as the fluid ages ATF+4 retains the ?as new? coefficient while ATF+3 degrades.

The paper noted that one alternative was to use synthetic Group IV base stock, which are even more expensive than the ATF+4 solution, which provided Group IV style performance from Group III stock. ATF+4 meets strict low-temperature, oxidation, and volatility performance requirements and relatively low cost ? believe it or not.

Manufacturers can make ATF+4 fluids, but to use the trademarked ATF+4 name in their compatibility list, they must have their fluids tested and licensed by Chrysler engineers, and must use Lubrizol in their formulations. Licensed fluids are periodically sampled from stores to assure quality.

ATF+3
ATF+3 is a friction-modified, high-quality transmission fluid similar to the current fluid in most respects; but it wears out more quickly and has less desirable cold viscosity (to simplify: is too thick when cold). ATF+3 can be approximated by Dexron plus an additive but this does not save much money and is not as desirable as using the correct fluid to begin with.

Dexron itself is the General Motors-specified fluid from far back in automotive history. While it was once the standard for all American autos, that time has long passed, with Ford settling on Mercon and Chrysler on ATF+3 (and now ATF+4); other manufacturers also require their own fluids.

Engine oil has been used as an automatic transmission fluid, again in the antiquity of automatic transmissions; it is still used in manual transmissions, but generally a single-grade oil is used.

The Center for Quality Assurance, which Chrysler uses to run its ATF+4 licensing program, wrote: ?The previous MOPAR ATF+3? formulation was discontinued in 2005 and ATF+4? is recommended for all transmissions filled with ATF+3?.?

Several companies now sell "universal" fluids. If they state that they are compatible with ATF+4?, they may work well, especially for those unsure of which fluid to use. The Center for Quality Assurance warned us to check the label for Chrysler?s license number, and to make sure the fluid is on their list of ATF+4? licensed and tested fluids.

Usage
You can use ATF+3 with all older Chrysler transmissions (except some Jeeps as noted below).

Chrysler is not the only company to require a unique transmission fluid. Dexron has long since passed its prime, and modern transmissions require modern fluids, which more refined properties. Toyota, Ford, Nissan, and other major automakers also require unique fluids. ]]> 4x4 Tech Talk Cricket http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6169-atf-3-a.html New to your site http://4x4mecca.com/forum/introductions/6168-new-your-site.html Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:23:35 GMT I just wanted to say hello and let you all know I did not register to just post on one thread. lol I have a home site at mudgrinders. com but i usually frequent all the 4x4 sites a couple times a week and I'de like to add this site to my favorites as well. I am from Midland, Michigan and I am currently building my second bogger. The first one was a Ford Explorer with all chevy drive train with the exception of the divorced t-case which was Dodge. I mudded it for most the summer but now its sold and moving on to a bigger project. Thanks for allowing me to enjoy your site. :bow:
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]]> Introductions AXLEJACK http://4x4mecca.com/forum/introductions/6168-new-your-site.html 100 Year Old Cigar? http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6167-100-year-old-cigar.html Sun, 15 Aug 2010 03:45:57 GMT Found this in a turn of the century chocolate box alongside some original sticks of Wrigley gum in the wax paper wrapper. Back when gum was actually a thick wafer, not a tiny thin strip.

Hopefully it didn't belong to Monica Lewinsky's great, great, Grandmother.
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]]> Hang Out Cricket http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6167-100-year-old-cigar.html Some projects from work *Updated 8/19* http://4x4mecca.com/forum/work-place/6166-some-projects-work-updated-8-19-a.html Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:56:23 GMT I figure I don't get over on the Mecca as often as I'd like but I can hop efully try to keep this thread updated from time to time. I'm currently working at a local 4x4 shop that's been in business for 30 years and is primarily Jeep based(supply & demand 'ya know). Link to website if anyone wants to check it out: Welcome to High Country Performance 4x4

Here's some random pics of a just a couple vehicles from around the shop.
Yeah yeah yeah, I know this isn't a 4x4 but was still a cool project for one of our good customers who also happens to be a pro NBA player.
1961 Lincoln Continental convertible with full Air Ride Technologies air bag conversion. Entire air system plumbed with 1/2" line, Big Red valves, twin Viaar compressor, twin 5 gallon tanks and electronic Ridepro controller with remotes. Car also received a front disc brake conversion while the suspension work was done.

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[IMG]Click the image to open in full size.[/IMG] ]]> The Work Place 5280k5 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/work-place/6166-some-projects-work-updated-8-19-a.html (Fabrication) Engine Test/Run Stand http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6165-engine-test-run-stand.html Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:05:59 GMT Howdy all, I am looking to find pictures of engine test/run stands so I can get a good idea of what I would like to incorporate into my own. I would also like to hear any idea's or suggestions from those who have either owned, built or used one of these stands. I will be using it for my current 454 build and possibly 2-3 more builds. After that I intend to donate it to a local school that is still permitted to teach auto shop. (It is barely more than a garage space with a lift and a couple tool boxes but none the less, its auto shop).
I don't want it to be a slam bam thank you ma'am job. Something nice worth putting my time into and that can be appreciated by future user's.
I have taken a look around the web and seen several that have powder coated start buttons (joking of course) and not looking to go real high end but safe, functional, and user friendly.
Thanks in advance for your interest and input, it is greatly appreciated.

Muddi1 ]]> 4x4 Tech Talk Muddi1 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6165-engine-test-run-stand.html Toyota h55 transmission specs http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6164-toyota-h55-transmission-specs.html Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:53:33 GMT I have an opportunity to buy a h55 5 speed for a project i kind of inherited. Does any one know the max power and torque a stock h55 can take?? I have the fj60 running a chevy 383 im gonna guess makes 400ish hp and maybe 450 ft/lbs. I was told they could take 500 ft/lbs? I have an opportunity to buy a h55 5 speed for a project i kind of inherited. Does any one know the max power and torque a stock h55 can take?? I have the fj60 running a chevy 383 im gonna guess makes 400ish hp and maybe 450 ft/lbs. I was told they could take 500 ft/lbs? ]]> 4x4 Tech Talk k20foxx http://4x4mecca.com/forum/4x4-tech-talk/6164-toyota-h55-transmission-specs.html 454 for 200 bucks http://4x4mecca.com/forum/colorado-crew/6163-454-200-bucks.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:08:59 GMT Early 70's BB454 for sale in Coal Creek, guy is asking 200.00. It's complete with valve covers. I was up there this morning talking to him, if your interested let me know and I'll give you his info. Motor is out of vehicle and turns freely, the kid just lost interest. ]]> Colorado Crew Cricket http://4x4mecca.com/forum/colorado-crew/6163-454-200-bucks.html (Video) Movies you MUST watch before you die http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6162-movies-you-must-watch-before-you-die.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 03:20:32 GMT I have tomorrow morning off. So what am I currently doing? Sitting at home, playing on mecca, texting of course, and watching movies like an anti-social tard. My list of movies that are currently stacked next to my TV in my room. Currently watching Old School The Game Out Cold Tommy Boy My MUST WATCH movies not listed are Major Payne The Condemned Redemption American History X Happy Gilmore Black Sheep The Punisher Blazing Saddles Billy Madison Shawshank Redemption Black Dog Porkys EDIT- cant forget Super Troopers I have tomorrow morning off. So what am I currently doing? Sitting at home, playing on mecca, texting of course, and watching movies like an anti-social tard.

My list of movies that are currently stacked next to my TV in my room.
Currently watching Old School
The Game
Out Cold
Tommy Boy

My MUST WATCH movies not listed are
Major Payne
The Condemned
Redemption
American History X
Happy Gilmore
Black Sheep
The Punisher
Blazing Saddles
Billy Madison
Shawshank Redemption
Black Dog
Porkys
EDIT- cant forget Super Troopers ]]> Hang Out Loftis61 http://4x4mecca.com/forum/hang-out/6162-movies-you-must-watch-before-you-die.html Old ammo http://4x4mecca.com/forum/firearms/6161-old-ammo.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 00:51:36 GMT Came across some old 12 gauge this afternoon while working an Estate. Couple boxes of Remington 12 gauge extra power magnum with, "New Plastic" casing. Back when they cost 3.19 for a box. The 92 year old gentleman said they were his Son's as a boy, his son is now 71 years of age. So I'm guessing 55 to 60 year old shot. I've come across one box of Remington Mohawk that I think is a tad older at 2.17 per box, black casing, long range, power piston 6.

If history interests you here's a cool link for Centerfire Shot Shell Headstamp Identification.

http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/shotgun.htm
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